There wasn't any of the sort saying that Broly was stronger than Beerus. They all show that something is possible. Might means maybe, while probably means most likely. So,Gogeta goes 100% and again,wins with even more scratches.Finally, the Omniking.I say the Omniking is stronger than SSJ4 Gogeta. Made Goku scared just by showing 'a hint' of his true power. There's nothing outright saying that he's on Beerus'level, again that's not Beerus' level. But Beerus isnt even sweating Vegeta, which causes him to use the Final Flash on Beerus in which he uses his left arm to flick the attack like nothing. @phantasial: Dumb comparison considering Broly and Jiren both trashed stronger versions of SSG Goku, and while yes scaling is more important in cases like that DBS and GT don’t scale to each other which is why feats are more important. He has Whis to protect him, and is a good match for Broly himself. Goku said that Beerus while sleeping is using his unretstrained power or that in the [Majin Buu arc] he said that he could take out Kid Buu, but his body gave up on him and during the entire fight Kid Buu and Goku SSJ3 was on par with each other. 30,000,000 x 100 = 3 billion. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Did the authors make Trunks overpowered for no particular reason other than fanservice? Beerus, Super powerscaling is greater than GT's one. Omega was able to regenerate after a Big Bang Kamehameha from a massively stronger SSJ4 Gogeta so at equal power levels Omega should be able to regenerate from what Beerus has to throw at him. I can see what you were going for, beerus and goku weren't busting the universe either, they were causing magical waves that didn't bust the universe either. Hope this helped. and it better not be ''my opinion''. As proven when Jiren said: "Both of your attacks are sharper" and when Goku Blue Kaioken + Vegeta Blue Evolution was attacking Jiren, Jiren tanked in all those hits and he was largely still sealing his powers off and during the Saiyan's assualt, never once did Jiren release anymore power/Ki nor his face expressions changed to a slightly more annoyed expression. Beerus via superior inferior feats and even better worst scaling. God Ki is needed in this fight, and even if SSJ4 Gogeta can damage hum with punches and kicks, it still most likely will be weaker than Beerus. Gogeta should win. No. @phantasial: Threatning to bust the universe multiple times casually>>>>deflecting a ball that would gradually errode the universe. Never has Whis nor anyone else stated that Broly nor Gogeta was more powerful. Gogeta 100x BBK > Gogeta SS4 (dozens of times stronger than an SS4) > SS4 (>= SS vegito) > SS vegito > Buuhan (near-universal). SS4 Gogeta simply lay for having the coolest design in the Dragonball lore. And if they did I dare you to quote me from the movie/Toriyama or Toyotaro/any legitimate proof from a credible source to say that Broly and Gogeta was on Beerus' level. ?They never said MUI "might" be stronger than Beerus... Beerus and Whis themselves even acknoledged that Goku in MUI has already surpassed Beerus.When did they say "might"?Give me the direct quote... @karkus: I'm talking about how the dubbed said it. He didn't say that. Because Beerus never worried about Broly. Boosting Omega Shenron's power level to Beerus level won't be enough for a victory for Omega. Unlikely and probably both show something is possible, but the latter connotes that it's more likely than the former. Gogeta would probably win. @mainjp: There's no proof whatsoever to indicate Gogeta stronger than Beerus. You can't compare Beerus especially since, he has never shown his full strength. Base Gogeta (DBS) vs. Vegito Blue (DBS) Considering how insane and ludicrous the scaling and power creep between each arc is in DBS, I thought this would be an interesting match. He was shaking the stadium, that's the only thing there is to shake. @karkus: I asked you to provide proof first.If you can provide evidence to say that Broly is on Beerus' level then I will find it secondly... Marketing and announcement hypes don't count... @chasekilleen: I never claimed Broly was on Beerus's level. I have stated that Goku was only comparing it to Beerus when he was fighting with him at the start of the Super series when attained his God form. I can say for 100% certainty though that Gogeta Blue >Full Power Jiren > Omen Goku 3rd time since Gogeta bodied a person with identical statements to Omen Goku at least. In the 40 minutes we've seen Jiren broke Goku's and Vegeta's limits many, many times, by giving them a massive Zenkai boost. It all depends on who the authors like more, and its been like this for quite a while now. Still gogeta via scaling. Meanwhile SSB is an advancement of a form that could physically destroy the universe with shockwaves from physical attacks. this scaling are based off the official statements. All you doing is giving implications and marketing hype from the movie's trailers and announcements. ?Do you not understand synonyms?? That's ironic. Just think back to Trunks cleaving Fused Zamasu in half. In August of last year, it was said that Broly was stronger than Beerus. Find me proof, all you doing is delaying the inevitable. I don't remember if Gogeta was even used in DBZ or it was just DBGT, but I know Vegito was used in the Buu Saga and was insanely powerful in comparison. Powers and Stats. Thanks, I needed a light- Sanji. In the movie Beerus knew that Goku and Vegeta could handle it and if Broly really did potentially endanger Beerus' position as a God of Destruction then why didn't Whis or Beerus himself intervene? Plus, Gogeta only lasts for 30 minutes. Gogeta Blue stomped someone comparable to Beerus without much effort, meaning Gogeta is likely much stronger than that. And Belmod never got injured by Liqeueur's attacks and at the end, Belmod was the only God of Destruction that never got injured, despite the fact that he was attacked multiple times... Belmod even confirms that "Jiren is a being that never loses, no matter who he's up against"For a someone that a God of Destruction cannot defeat means that the other individual is more powerful than the Gods. So Arale is stronger than Vegeta and Goku is she? @pickle-o: SSJ4 Gogeta is from GT and likely would not know this. You did, and still haven't provided any evidence. then again gogeta can just kill the supreme kai and easily neg, Beerus grabs Gogeta by hair and says hakai. @karkus: People are using Goku's statement where he said "You might/probably stronger than our Beerus." © 2020 GAMESPOT, A RED VENTURES COMPANY. That is a much better debate. So yeah he might legit be near Angle tier. I hope you are not trolling because in the English dub Goku said might be stronger than our Beerus and also probably and might are literally same thing. His power remained mostly undefined throughout Super other than being much stronger than SSB. I never claimed Broly was stronger than Beerus. you claim it's dumb despite seeing inferior feats...so, feats > scaling. cat dies. I'm not here to let you blow smoke up my butt and tell me otherwise.Provide me with evidence or don't claim otherwise especially if you have nothing to backup your claim...I am still waiting for proof that Broly is on Beerus' level... @karkus: Try again...You don't know anything about the English language. Thx for watching Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/_.attila._145/ @tony501: Belmod never got injured and in the anime he beat Beerus in arm wrestling and in both anime and manga Belmod is implied to be stronger than Beerus. Gogeta and UI Goku both bodied someone, one stated to be > beerus, the other => beerus. @thelostshinobi: Even if he can damage Goku, which I doubt, there is no way he is beating Goku in 15 minutes. I'd be sweating too. don't worry if plot wants then there will be a transformation for goku and friends to overcome beerus and everyone above him. Yeah, but we can get an idea that he used a good amount when he fought Champa in the baseball episode. And? Intent: To Kill, Gogeta is NOT playing around. SSJB Vegito or Gogeta- if that ever happened, would be a way better match up. Combine that with a power level that just seems naturally off the chart, and you have one good contender for giving Beerus a hell of a fight. If the two brothers were serious then they would've actually released more of their Ki's. Although, there were statements outside the show saying Broly was stronger than a God of Destruction. what's an Infinite of nothing? "How can a mortal release this much Ki"? Bias against GT or Super aside, who would win? In 2 or 3 hits, he dominated Frieza and KO'ED him in an instant. Knowing Beerus he wouldn't just stand by when he senses someone stronger than him. Broly didn’t reach full power until his fight with SSJ Gogeta. Beerus power level at 1 percent is 30 million. SSB Gogeta VS UI Goku VS Beerus VS Jiren VS Broly(Battle Royale) Dragon Ball - General This is ... a Spirit Bomb that was stated later in the Tournament to rival SS2 Kefla in raw power, ... since we don't know what level of UI Beerus has access to. All I want is crystal clear answers from a credible source. Furthermore, many, many times has Goku been mistaken about his own and other people's power, he either always over/under estimates it. It meant the destruction of his universe if his team loses. Yes, you stated that, but it's unsure if it's true. Keep in mind this is Vegeta post Battle of Gods, Golden Frieza, Universe 6 vs 7, Black Goku/Future Trunks arc. If Broly was on Beerus'level, you would think the least he can do is gravely injure Frieza? I could point to some scaling, but why should I bother. SSJ4 Gogeta isn't even on a level with SSB Goku, and normal ki can't damage Beerus, you need God Ki. While all fusions have immense power, Gogeta's power is abnormal even by regular standards, as Vegeta and Goku's intense rivalry has brought out an exceptional power. When Jiren was heavily supressed, Whis states that 'His power enters the domain of the God of Destruction, or even surpassed it'. He's also had the training of Whis, and Angel and the most powerful being in Universe 6 (I think it's 6, maybe 7). And his statement was solely basing it off of the Beerus in [God of Destruction arc]. Not to mention he wasn’t busting the universe, he was merely ripping through the barriers to parallel dimensions until the universe collapsed. anyways. Ssj-ssj2 gogeta would be a good fight for beerus. His power will be retconned until he's more powerful than Zeno, Seriously Goku should wipe the floor with him by realistic scaling even without UI, OT: I think it's been established that Super>GT in terms of power so Beerus should win. In the manga he was the only one who never got injured and in the anime he has beaten Beerus in arm wrestling challenge. That wasn't base Goku. According to Goku, Beerus is around the level of Broly. Broly on the other hand neither made Beerus bat an eye, nor did he make Goku and Vegeta break their own limits and also Goku and Vegeta never used their Kaioken and Evolution (respectively) So we can definitely say that didn't try their absolute hardest. The real debate should be SSJB vegito vs Beerus. SS4 gogeta (dozens of times stronger)> SS4 goku (probably stronger) >= SS vegito > Buuhan (universal). If Jiren beats the team, then Beerus gets erased. Got in to a debate with a friend, I personally believe Gogeta can triumph Beerus but apparently his powers have been retconned to the point where he's near omnipotent. Now if by multiplying 10 by 30 mill = 10% then multiplying 100 = 100%. Beerus one shots all of GT. Read Gogeta vs Beerus from the story Dragon Ball Xeno: Part one by Silenttoast132 with 344 reads. Universe 7 wasn’t a concept until DBS so it’s universal designation isn’t relevant. amrite? Gogeta, one of Dragon Ball's strongest, is the Metamoran fusion of Goku and Vegeta that was introduced to us canonically during Dragon Ball Super: Broly.Being a fusion, this form increases their power level tremendously, as seen in the movie, where they … ... least equal to Gogeta if not stronger since Beerus wasn't even that interested even when he sensed both Broly's and Gogeta's power. You don't know anything about the English language. The Super never stated how much power Beerus even used when fighting Goku God form.The movie said close to 70%, but clearly he was bluffing, but that statement is full of crap anyway, since when Super anime came out, it retconned that entire statement.The only mortal beings capable of beating Beerus are Goku Mastered UI and Jiren and also his limit breaker form. We have not seen the true power of Beerus yet.This debate might never be answered, since there's technically no right or wrong answers. Only way you can argue Gogeta at universal is if you scale off Buuhan based on a filler scene, meanwhile Beerus would have destroyed the Macrocasm(mortal universe and otherworld) which is more impressive than what Gogeta has done by feats. Buu used Vice Shout to collapse dimensional walls and pass through them, Gogeta and Broly were shattering entire dimensions. Not bad at all! Gogeta and Broly hasn't even shown anything that's close to what Jiren was capable of during the Tournament of Power. So,SSJ4 Gogeta does the same thing like last time except,he toys around with him more and goes 50%.Since Vados is stronger than Whis,I put her at 90% SSJ4 Gogeta. Beerus utterly stomps. @deathwingterminatort1000: Gogeta only lasts 15 minutes max in Ssj4 so he doesn't even have the standard 30 minutes. @devoidruby: That's complete and utter BS. @deathwingterminatort1000: Please tell me how SSJ4 Gogeta does not stand up to SSB Goku, @deathwingterminatort1000: yea ik lol I was just fucking around with that post lmao. The only two mortals that surpasses Beerus are Jiren and Goku with his Mastered Ultra Instinct form. Beerus power level at 100% is around 3 billion. Frieza was still in his transformation and he was not even fatally wounded. Whis literally stated that Jiren when supressed was "in the domains of a God of Destruction or surpassing it" and even Belmod himself in the manga has admitted that Jiren is more powerful than him, combat wise. I would put SSJ4 Gogeta at 100%, 10% Omniking!So,he just goes full power and thrashes SSJ4 Gogeta. Not the same as straight up busting a universe. They never said MUI "might" be stronger than Beerus, https://twitter.com/KenXyro/status/1026341411283763202. He was just chilling and keeping an eye on everyone's Ki. He acknowledged Jiren was far from full power, so it's more likely he was referring to what he thought his full power was. When he is attacked by Liqueur's Tail Energy Cannon Barrage, Belmod takes no damage from the assault. The fight between SSJ3 Goku and Beerus was one-sided, but Goku could still track Beerus's movements for the most part. Goku base and Beerus had the potential to destroy the entire universe just by colliding their fists and God form the impact of their fists destroyed solar systems. Clearly SSJ4 Gogeta is well worth Beerus' acknowledgement. Articles from a legitimate source? Buu was going to destroy the mortal universe, there is nothing suggesting otherworld would have been destroyed too. @thelostshinobi: Repeat thread, but welcome anyway. so yeah, dozens of times uiversal is High multi universal. Beerus in the manga pretty much bested the entire other Gods of Destruction and also without trying whatsoever one hit KO'ED Vegeta in his Mastered Super Saiyan Blue form, a form that's on par with Vegito Blue and he took Vegeta out in one shot, that's when he was serious, to teach Vegeta a lesson to not be cocky. so threats are feats now? SSJ4 Gogeta isn't even on a level with SSB Goku, and normal ki can't damage Beerus, you need God Ki. And go to 3:06. R1: Beerus stomps. Whether stronger or not Broly is hovering around that Area and Gogeta stomped him. Jiren was way stronger than the team of U7 at the time. It only said "Mightiest vs. Mightiest" and "Strongest enemy they ever faced.". Meaning he is much stronger than he was before. Not the same as straight up busting a universe. ", while Gogeta will say "Maybe I can win against Lord Beerus now." Personally,I think SSJ4 Gogeta would be stronger than Beerus and Whis.This is how I think the fights would go:It would take Beerus a while to go 100% because he hasn't went that in a long time so,SSJ4 Gogeta would probably toy with Beerus until he goes 100%.Once Beerus does reach his max power,I think SSJ4 Gogeta would still play around with him.I think Beerus is about 40% SSJ4 Gogeta.So,SSJ4 Gogeta goes 75%,toys around with Beerus,then knocks him out.Now,Whis. Whis literally stated that Jiren when supressed was. Jiren heavily surpressed scared Beerus, to the point that he was sweating and was nearly in despair. And Beerus has never shown his full strength, in the Super anime+manga, it's never stated that which percentage of power Beerus used.If Broly was such a threat to Beerus' position as a God, then why didn't he intervene, nor ever did Whis as well.Whis was merely playing aroud with Broly. SSJB Gogeta roflstomped a Beerus level fighter. 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